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| I think the separaton into three groups is a good idea. The freedom to choose to join which group is also important (with strict clothing regulation enforced). As with new members, why not just have a meeting in a regular way to get familiarized, then the new member can choose which group to join. | J.K. 3/4/2000 01:22:52 | |
| simon也說的對！希望快些有活動吧！ 牛牛去不到camp了！因忙於功課，但如平日有活動的話，牛牛一定出現． | tonycow 3/3/2000 21:16:42 |  |
| GiGi:請妳展開第一步,先參加初級聚會吧!!! | Simon 3/3/2000 18:26:45 |  |
| tonycow:如果有一位參加者每次都參加,但每次都做四不像,又點計呢? | Simon 3/3/2000 18:22:36 | |
| Excuse me. The below message is posted by me. | Richard 3/3/2000 09:32:58 | |
| Now technical problems come up. By creating a selecting system, we become either too bureaucratic or too subjective. May I suggest that we call for a "no-clothes-allowed" party for everybody, in which views of nudism are shared and exchanged in an easy atmosphere (no Majong or TV, please). Program like that may be so serious that peeping-Tom will stay away from it, while people who really want to engage in nudist activities have chances to know about them. After this party,I beleive, we know at least who are enthusiatic supporters. Those who are sincere enough to try, courageous enough to continue or experienced to lead become "core-group" members (or gold members). Those who have tried but feel uncomfortable can move back to the silver group and even the copper group. Those who join later begin with the copper membership. | r 3/3/2000 09:31:44 | |
| 我想參加，但伯部份不脫衣服的人存心"裝人 | GiGi 3/2/2000 23:11:12 |  |
| 如以simon的眼去判斷會不會太主觀啊？或許以出席次數來衡量會好些． | tonycow 3/2/2000 22:40:46 | |
| In additional of the class member idea, I have already noticed that there are some active and real members who can be the Golden member in here. But we have to avoid those "just looking" and "not real" people around. And I am sure Simon can easily judge who can be the Golden Member or not very soon. | Joyce Tam 3/2/2000 10:12:13 | |
| Richard, I think everyone should be the Copper Class at the begining. but just keep in faith that you will be the Golden Class or higher class soon because you are a value and experted member in here. | Joyce Tam 3/2/2000 10:00:18 | |
| Simon's idea is reasonable, although it means that I have to join the first class first. | Richard 3/2/2000 09:25:56 | |
| 分三組人也好啊! 致少大家可以說得開心些. 如有機會的話牛牛也想一起去行山啊! (但要牛牛的功課不太忙的時候) | tonycow 3/1/2000 20:20:07 | |
| Richard:我個人認為第一次的參加者全部都是初級,之後才有選擇權,請問你意下如何??? | Simon 3/1/2000 17:09:17 |  |
| Fair and liberal discussions always lead to fruitful conclusion! That's why TonyCow does not need to say sorry to me. I also like the three-class system initiated by Joyce. May I suggest that members should be free to choose which class they want to join. However, after joining a class, they must strictly follow the regulations and "dress code" | Richard 3/1/2000 16:59:21 | |
| 牛牛:希望你的身體在日後能表達更多更多的東西,更多謝你贊助了一佰八十元給我們的繪畫班作為經費. | Simon 3/1/2000 16:49:39 |  |
| A Chai:因這個星期的天氣太差了,下星期如天氣好轉我一定找你帶路,完成這個壯舉!!! | Simon 3/1/2000 16:43:59 | |
| Joyce Tam:妳的提議十分好,為何不早點提出,我們日後的活動就用三級制吧! | Simon 3/1/2000 16:37:18 | |
| TonyCow, J.K--I agree with you that nudism should be more "Enjoyable and comfortable". Richard, A Chai--I agree that Mid March is still cool for outdoor activities. How about a cloth on activities, so members can get to know each other more and get to know who is "just looking" or real nudist. Albert-- I agree with you that Simon shouldn't give up after the last gathering. Francis, Alfred--The last gathering is not very good. But your opinion and your experience can help to improve it for the future. "Roman is not build by a day" and it need all our hard works. | Joyce Tam 3/1/2000 14:07:01 | |
| After reading a page of messge, I have some suggestions want to share with you all. 1) We should give some credits to Simon who works so hard on this free speech newsgroup and organizing activities to encourage local nudism. 2) It is not bad to have more than 10 persons to show up at last gathering although there are many thing need to improve in next time. 3) separate members into 3 main groups. a) Copper members(new members)--wear with clothes, not active members, and the members who may just want to look only. b) Silver members(join gathering for a period of time)--members are OK to be nude in front others members, clothes optional. c) Gold members(active members)--nudist and know the correct way of nudism. 4) separate gatherings and functions into 3 stages. a) common activities--wear on clothes (for copper and new members) b)intermedia activities--clothes options(mix with nudist and potential members). c) nudism activities--without clothes.(regular activities). THose are my personal ideas only. Hope the future activities will be more successful. | Joyce Tam 3/1/2000 13:43:44 | |
| Richard兄，如果牛牛有什何誤會，希望原諒．牛牛只想希望大家不會懼怕行山．而令一方面希望大家要量力而為．牛牛亦認為天體活動在室外或室內沒有分別，最重要是要享受那感覺． | tonycow 3/1/2000 02:50:01 | |
| Didn't I say that going hiking (naked or not) is dangerous in Hong Kong? I have never worried about robbery. What I said is "the fluctuating weather may cause a lot of troubles" e.g. heavy rain begins to fall when the group is half way up the hill, a member in the group feels sick because the temperature falls drastically, etc. I am not the organizer of the activity. Nor was I a participant in any events organzied by Simon. As I have reiterated, I just spell out my suggestion and expect your response. If you guys think that going out is a better idea, why don't I try? | Richard 2/29/2000 23:50:10 | |
| 我看了richard兄的文章, 想他是在外國進行天體活動吧！先讓我們把天體活挪開，在香港行山活動也不見得很危檢．只要我們量力而為，那沒有不好的地方行．香港也有很多清靜的山，如新界東北部或西貢平日．治安問題也不必太擔心，如擔心小偷，那市區也有很多啊！而且牛牛去了很多次行山也沒有問題．所以行山者量力而為，那是一件很開心的事，擔心的只是我們心埋有鬼． 而天體行為在行山上也只是怕影響別人和安全問題．如果我們找些易行的山路，（如夜行的話要行熟識的山路）那亦是很好的享受啊！ | tonycow 2/29/2000 23:25:14 | |
| Dear A Chai: I have run naked at -3 degree Celsius and I found it good. Nevertheless, I suggest (only suggest) that the activities being planned should preferrably be indoor, because (1)It's a group activity, not an individual one. The last meeting was held indoor but many participants still found 14 degree Celsius a bit too cold for going naked. For this reason, I wrote to ask comrades if it is better to stay indoor. If they insist on going out, that's fine with me. (2) I conclude from the messages posted on the notice board that some participants found the last meeting boring because they did not know each other well. I don't think they know each other well now. Confining a dozen strangers in a camp for two days can be a nightmare. A short indoor activity is not a guarantee for success, but at least you can escape comfortably if you want to. Perhaps you think that in these two days participants can get along well, but are you sure? let's discuss later about your distinction between nudism and naturism | Richard 2/29/2000 17:23:52 | |
| 註:所述並不適用于那些假天體/裸體者,或只好奇想"睇野"的人. | A Chai 2/29/2000 16:57:24 | |
| Simon :小弟並不抗拒室內天體活動.說細緻一點應是不抗拒室內裸體活動,例如做家務,修剪花草等平時日常生活就已存在的活動或者應說是認同室內裸體活動,可能是詞語上有誤會:天體者(naturist),裸體者(nudist).撇開天體/裸體,小弟日常生活並不喜歡打麻雀,看電視也只會看知識節目;反而是較多上山落水,"擁抱"大自然去;小弟也不會說諸位抗拒跑出大自然天體,只不過可能諸位不了解,不"熟"大自然的脾氣,才會覺得危險,才會如Richard所說mid-march is probably not the ideal time for outdoor activities.作為天體者,或者嚴格一點說,大自然天體者,天體活動並無季節冷暖之分,也不會因天氣冷而縮在室內,只是天體方式因氣侯不同而有改變罷了.希望 Simon 能有過這種感覺良好(最少小弟是)的經驗後,向其他友好宣揚出去,只要知所避忌(唔通山澗有山洪都沖過去咩),there will be no more trouble. | A Chai 2/29/2000 16:47:57 |
