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| 我看了richard兄的文章, 想他是在外國進行天體活動吧！先讓我們把天體活挪開，在香港行山活動也不見得很危檢．只要我們量力而為，那沒有不好的地方行．香港也有很多清靜的山，如新界東北部或西貢平日．治安問題也不必太擔心，如擔心小偷，那市區也有很多啊！而且牛牛去了很多次行山也沒有問題．所以行山者量力而為，那是一件很開心的事，擔心的只是我們心埋有鬼． 而天體行為在行山上也只是怕影響別人和安全問題．如果我們找些易行的山路，（如夜行的話要行熟識的山路）那亦是很好的享受啊！ | tonycow 2/29/2000 23:25:14 |  |
| Dear A Chai: I have run naked at -3 degree Celsius and I found it good. Nevertheless, I suggest (only suggest) that the activities being planned should preferrably be indoor, because (1)It's a group activity, not an individual one. The last meeting was held indoor but many participants still found 14 degree Celsius a bit too cold for going naked. For this reason, I wrote to ask comrades if it is better to stay indoor. If they insist on going out, that's fine with me. (2) I conclude from the messages posted on the notice board that some participants found the last meeting boring because they did not know each other well. I don't think they know each other well now. Confining a dozen strangers in a camp for two days can be a nightmare. A short indoor activity is not a guarantee for success, but at least you can escape comfortably if you want to. Perhaps you think that in these two days participants can get along well, but are you sure? let's discuss later about your distinction between nudism and naturism | Richard 2/29/2000 17:23:52 | |
| 註:所述並不適用于那些假天體/裸體者,或只好奇想"睇野"的人. | A Chai 2/29/2000 16:57:24 | |
| Simon :小弟並不抗拒室內天體活動.說細緻一點應是不抗拒室內裸體活動,例如做家務,修剪花草等平時日常生活就已存在的活動或者應說是認同室內裸體活動,可能是詞語上有誤會:天體者(naturist),裸體者(nudist).撇開天體/裸體,小弟日常生活並不喜歡打麻雀,看電視也只會看知識節目;反而是較多上山落水,"擁抱"大自然去;小弟也不會說諸位抗拒跑出大自然天體,只不過可能諸位不了解,不"熟"大自然的脾氣,才會覺得危險,才會如Richard所說mid-march is probably not the ideal time for outdoor activities.作為天體者,或者嚴格一點說,大自然天體者,天體活動並無季節冷暖之分,也不會因天氣冷而縮在室內,只是天體方式因氣侯不同而有改變罷了.希望 Simon 能有過這種感覺良好(最少小弟是)的經驗後,向其他友好宣揚出去,只要知所避忌(唔通山澗有山洪都沖過去咩),there will be no more trouble. | A Chai 2/29/2000 16:47:57 | |
| 很多謝simon給機會牛牛可以做裸體模特兒，雖然牛牛的身材不好（好像牛般有大肚皮），但當中的感受實在很開心和深刻． 這次經驗最開心的，是可以讓人用欣賞的態度看自己的身體．自己從未試過繪畫，但看見他們所畫的也覺興奮，在過程進行中，心中在猜他們在表達什麼，在畫什麼．畫完了，看見自己的影子在畫紙上出現，真的很開心． 希望下次會有機會吧！牛牛也會努力修好身體，希望讓更多人看了自己的身體能表達更多更多的東西． | tonycow 2/29/2000 00:37:00 | |
| Come on! Let bygones be bygones!Why don't we change the topic?I have told Simon per e-mail that mid-March is probably not the ideal time for outdoor activities, because the fluctuating weather may cause a lot of troubles. How do you boys and girls think? | Richard 2/28/2000 23:44:11 | |
| 況且那天十多人一起,全部互不相識,又無節目,氣氛當然會較差,而那些別有用心的人,發現並無他們所需的,自動會消失,真正的才會再來,這麼快就想退下的,一定不是真的天體愛好者!! | Simon 2/28/2000 18:10:41 |  |
| 其實都是我安排不週,人數太多了,有部份人穿衣,可能是他們並未適應或許天氣突然轉泠,其實天體是自我享受,別人穿不穿衣或是男是女應對你影響不大,正如別人不吃東西你的肚皮理應不會餓,但你跟他不吃,只會一起餓,那為何不好好自我享受一下!! | Simon 2/28/2000 17:53:04 |  |
| 我想大家有點誤會我的意思了，當時我坐在窗旁，覺得很冷，但我還是肯露兩點，支持一下Simon及我們的聚會，我知道脫不脫是大家的自由，但到底我們是天體聚會，What is the purpose？大家都明白，Simon一早就要求大家帶大毛巾了，但九成人沒帶，表示根本有人惜肉如金，連準備都不打算，才是我不悅之處，要知道大家都是來認識志同道合的朋友的，我追求的是天體的free，但卻不是暴露狂，要我在衣冠中作禽獸，我當然不肯了。 | Francis 2/28/2000 15:56:55 | |
| Too bad I cannot join your activities. I think it is better for people to be able to choose whether and when to be naked, but the concerns of those not feeling comfortable because of those who are not 'genuine' should also be addressed. It is important that everybody feel comfortable enough about the situation. Also, if it is possible to have outdoor activities, it is good to one's health from exposure to the sun & fresh air etc. | J.K. 2/28/2000 03:09:19 |  |
| 牛~~~週三那天牛牛也有出值啊！其實牛牛也只除了鞋子，希望下次開始慢慢適應吧！ 牛牛也發現有人去看東西！因為牛牛發現simon的名片在洗手間地上出現！這式許太那個了！我想那天如果沒有那些倚子會好些，大家一起坐地上，氣氛會好些，而且也開放些． francis那天真的對不起，因牛牛也是沒有出聲的一位．但我想大家熟了或適應了，這情形會改善的． | tonycow 2/28/2000 00:33:58 | |
| I am sorry that I have to write in English again because, due to my illiteracy in Chinese computer, it may take me more than an hour to write a Chinese text. Although I was unable to participate in the last event, I understood Francis and Alfred's frustration. Here I would only want to add that "feeling free" is more important than anything else. A free man does whatever he likes even though other people do not follow. If you stop doing what you like simply because other people are not going your way, you are not free. I will not hesitate to take off my clothes if I feel free to do so, even, by doing so, I will become the only naked person in the group (of course, on condition that the people around also feel free to see my wearing the Adam's Costume). It is clear that it was a naturist gathering. However, some participants might be "beginners" who came to experience this new thing and not yet felt free to take off their clothes. Some people were just curious and should be educated. Be patient! The party has just begun. | Richard 2/27/2000 23:26:03 | |
| When will you have activities next time? How can I join? | Jason 2/27/2000 13:46:06 | |
| 關於星期三的聚會﹐我看只不過是因為天氣太冷﹐所以大家都沒 有解除束縛的意願罷了。不用太介意呢。要是當時暖一些﹐我 想效果會好一點的。希望大家不要放棄﹗ | Albert 2/26/2000 21:18:46 |  |
| A Chai:我意識到你十分抗拒室內的天體活動,但我認為天體行為只是我們日常生活的一種模式,在家裏,和朋友聚會,或是身在大自然都是和一般人沒有分別,只是他們穿衣而我們沒穿,在衣服還未發明的時候,所有人都是這樣的生活. | Simon 2/26/2000 21:04:25 |  |
| Alfred and Francis 兩位所說亦有道理,但在下較為認同 Simon 的意見,始終 C.O. 會較好,各有各自由,不宜強要別人裸體,特別天冷時節.發覺"冇野睇",這些人很快會沒趣而自動消失,無需太擔憂. Simon : I am waiting for your e-mail regarding our trip. 希望之後 Simon 能薪火相傳,把正確,健康,自然的天體意識傳予其他人,而不限于看看電視,打打牌,等狹窄的室內裸體(不說天體,始終這個"天"字有天然,大自然的含意)活動. | A Chai 2/26/2000 18:22:24 | |
| 你倆位都說得對,但我不贊同必須天體,因這是個人自由,抱著看東西的人很快就會自動消失,只有真正的才會再來,當天頗悶是因沒有安排節目,日後大家稔熟就會玩得開心D! | Simon 2/26/2000 16:24:01 |  |
| 贊成Alferd意見，當天頗悶，Simon與我已經盡量搞氣氛了，最後都要早走，而且大把人打tie穿老西，包到粽一樣，令人mood都差左，打個赤膊後，都沒有心機繼續了，如果宿營仍是如此，以後找多D志同道合的fans都難，敬祈改善。 | Francis 2/26/2000 10:37:51 |  |
| 恕我直言，星期三的聚會氣氛很差，有個別人士抱著看東西的心來，不說，不吃，不喝，又穿著整齊，真是令人氣結。請你以後安排聚會時請對參加者說明必須天體，否則請他們不要來从免 | Alferd 2/25/2000 22:03:16 |  |
| 在星期三的聚會需然氣溫只有十四度,但有十六人參加,還決議三月中到離島渡假屋再聚,現時已有九個人報名參加,希望會是一次很好的經驗! | Simon 2/25/2000 17:30:37 |  |
| Richard:你的經驗真是令人有立即要到德國念頭,希望在香港會有這一天! | Simon 2/25/2000 16:21:27 | |
| Hello LK: For instance, the English Garden in the heart of Munich (let me emphasize that it is in the city centre)is perhaps the only place on earth where people can play guitar, badminton, volleyball and sunbath and run around in nude when formally-dressed ladies and gentlemen pass by. Many of the sauna rooms are mixed, so that wives and husbands, boyfriends and girlfriends can enjoy their good time together. There are a large number of nudist sports clubs all over Germany. Apart from swimming, they played soccers, archery and tennis in nude. In such cases they have to put something on to protect themselves. Don't laugh when you see a soccer goalkeepers wearing nothing but his gloves, hat and soccer shoes. | Richard 2/25/2000 12:04:35 | |
| Richard: What were some of your experiences while you were in Germany.. | J.K. 2/25/2000 01:01:21 | |
| It is my great pleasure to join you. I am sure that it is a great experience to chat, to dance, to sing, to drink and to party with fellow nudists in Hong Kong, not in Europe. Whatever you have activities, please kindly let me know. | Richard 2/23/2000 16:06:10 | |
| Richard:多謝你的蒞臨,我們並不是什麼組織,只是提供一個機會給有相同興趣的人聚會,交流經驗,如你有興趣,歡迎參加,我們的活動是不收費用,只需平均分擔當次支出. | Simon 2/23/2000 14:13:51 | |
